So this morning we fired up the stately Brisbane Ultimate Blog mansion's own "Enigmuck" calculating machine, and pushed in a few brightly coloured punch cards covering results from earlier in the year (we thank Auscert for its recent technical advice).
After some chuffing and churning, Enigmuck forwarded some results so far for teams which are in the running for Queensland Club of the Year. You might recall the 2007 winners were the UQ Lovers (followed by Bootius and the Lounge Lizards), while 2006 was year of the Bootius Maximus (followed by UQ and Dojo Mojo).
The spreadsheets rolling off the dot matrix referenced a number of teams based out of Queensland (and Northern NSW) who've played at tournaments so far this year, including Firestorm, Mind the Gap, Slamtown Flatball Club, Minx, Sultry, Thor, the Pass, UQ, Mellow Yellow, iCarrot and Not Sure Yet. All well and good - all of these Clubs made it to something like Regionals, Nationals or Halibut, and we expect to insert results from the QQ/AMUC reps the Lounge Lizards and Great!Sugoi! before the year is out, along with any other Clubs that get themselves to Lovefest and AUGs.
As we perused and then prepared to burn the pages (we don't want any surprises leaked before the annual QUDA bash at the end of the year), we noticed Enigmu continuing to blow steam and sparks, before some more pages rolled out!
Suddenly, League teams were appearing before our eyes!?! The Moreton Bay Buggers, Chimichangas, Bermuda Triangle, Rawhide, Plastic Scourgery, Dyspnoeics, Dojo Mojo, Poachers, QUT RiverRats and the Heroes were added to the mix. These were teams that had played at least two reasonably sized Leagues this year ....
We weren't sure what to think.
So we'd figure we'd ask you.
Do you think that League teams should be included in the Queensland Club of the Year calculations? And if so, do you think winning a League is about as excellent (or more excellent or less excellent) as winning a tournament?
5 comments:
I guess the question is whether you want to have a separate category for League teams - ie League Team of the Year, and Tourney Team of the Year.
I think both together is more fun.
While I like how you weigh points based on how many teams played in the event, I think you need to beef up the major tournaments - ie making top 4 at mixed nats is worth way more than say winning Halibut. And winning Halibut is better than winning BPL.
And do Clubs get both sets of points if they have multiple teams in Leagues? UQ has like two BPL teams and two YUFL teams and I guess another six UQL teams and basically they win hands down. And what about Gold Coast and Townsville leagues?
Lots of questions.
while i like the clean cut nature of the calculation system i think there has to be some human element to the process.
While most clubs have there specific focuses, ie buggers BPL and bermuda BUMFL. I think you have to look at things like growth and success in their target developement.
As i am involved in many different clubs focuses i dont see or have the desire to push a QUT into Mixed Nats as the club has a focus on social university developement feeding players into other teams and of course uni games.
So as a QUT team we play 2-3 tournaments a year with IV's and AUG then just BUMFL. we will rarely score as well as UQ who generally go to all the same tournies and finish higher plus have BPL. This is because they are a bigger club.
I think that the calculations should be done to gather your top 5 then voted on by the QUDA exec to determine who contributed the most to Queensland ultimate.
Well, while I'm making comments on other posts I might as well kill some more time here as well.
To be Club of the Year, surely the most important thing is to be a "Club". Otherwise it would be "Team of the Year"...
So that narrows it down a fair bit. You'd first need the candidates to fit a definition of being a club (I'm sure someone out there like JDR is far more qualified than me to suggest what this definition might be). Then you can look at the various things the club has achieved (in the context of what it sets out to achieve) and how it's activities as a club have furthered the cause of Ultimate in Queensland, etc...
Whether a club wins a league or a tournament (and the relative difficulty of the feat) is surely only one of the factors, amongst the many other less-quantifiable ones, to be taken into account in considering which Club takes the accolade.
Clearly, a group of hotshots (or not-so-hotshots...) who get together for the duration of a tournament can in no way be considered a club, so on that basis the only tournament-specific "Clubs" up for consideration are Firestorm, Sulty/Minx and the university clubs.
Of course, all this is redundant if you really mean this to be "Team of the Year", JDR...?
Interesting. Do we want to include leagues. I think it would need to be limited to BUML, WUFL and BPL as UQ and GC are both club specific leagues so of course that club will win it...
I think it needs to take into account the recruitment efforts of the clubs throughout the year as well as their performances at tournaments and leagues.
Also, time to pull out the definition of a club from earlier in the year. Can't remember how it was defined.
Perhaps clubs who run leagues should just get a point for having a league, rather than whatever points they get for being guaranteed to win the league. Because there is no doubt that running your own league is a measure of a club's success.
As far as BPL, BUMFL, S & M (When it starts), and Women's go, will there be points for participation or only results?
Either way... UQ is in every league except the GC league, has gone to ECC, and will go to Mixed Nats, has hosted a league, 2 tournaments by the time of Club of the Year (not counting QQ).
It's looking interesting :)
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